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Game name: notori0us^

ID:STEAM_0:0:6359286

Date: 8/15

Time: 4:40 pm

Comments : I was banned in a very respectful manner by King Snore who explained to me that he either recorded himself or received a demo of me "Wall Hacking" and told me to appeal here. So my explanation for maybe appearing to have walls is 2 things. I have a 7.1 surround sound, sound card that came with my siberia ice mats head phones (fancy gaming headphones) so I can hear footsteps at long distances (like long a and cat walk on d2) and the other possibility is that I just play differently than most people, I am an experienced counterstrike player and have been playing source competitively since January of 2005. I am not bitter that I was banned and understand you guys need to take every precaution necessary to keep your servers cheats free but I just ask that you review this fairly so I can continue my application process with Saved.

Your Brother,
Cavin a.k.a. notorious

i will upload the demo in a bit.

http://uploading.com/files/YZUZMLT8/nout.dem.html
here is the link for the higher ups too see

Quite the nice speech, Notorious, but the demo is quite clear that you are indeed walling. Good luck with your "competitive" playing (or not-so-competitive).

I will say two things, I am truthfully not hacking. And I genuinely wanted to join saved to spread the good news of Jesus Christ. I do it real life but noticed I was compartmentalizing my computer gaming and not including Christ in my fragging.

*I don't mean to keep adding replies and editing my posts, but I am quite anxious about this situation due to the fact that i've became good friends with DeaglingDan and Ned the last couple days*

I've watched it, I know my word means nothing seeing as I am not a member of Saved.
But I hope it helps that I play in your server, and would not want notorious to be playing.
I've watched the demo, I would have to say it would be foolish to unban him, he was extremely blatant.

How I feel on the situation...
I am not going to argue this subject as I don't want to bump heads with anyone, I am not going to argue what I saw clientside with shadows, guns pointing out, footsteps or anything on the matter, seeing as it is hard for people to believe and argue to the extent of those without I myself being bitter about the situation. After talking with Avi8tor last night for about 20 minutes I decided that I do not want to be unbanned right now and rejoin the server just to appear as if I am doing the same things as it would be very deceitful to all of you. I would like it if all of the css players would add me on steam and over the next couple of weeks people can join the server that I am in,so they can see my true character and ultimately make the decision for themselves if I do in fact hack, and if I am worth the unbanning. I apologize for the confusion/frustration I may have caused.

Your Brother,
Cavin a.k.a. Notorious

***my steam name is ttwsnake, add me asap ***

notorious nice aprouch to taking this. Boys cant we get along. Come on. I am going to also want some other input on this from Fluffy he knows his stuff. So yea. But as far as i can see i would say no he aint hacking he got lucky but the first kill that he gets in short A looks lagit. you can see the guy run across so sitting there scoped in anyone would do so. Secound kill in short A a little iffy maybe but the smoke gave the guy away. the only one i think is iffy would be abnormals getting killed at the end. Only cause abnormal is well...abnormal..haha jk anyways I would say an unban but i will wait for other staff to comment on this one

Alright i finally looked at the demo and he isn't walling. I can guarantee abnormal wouldn't have killed him on those peeking around the corner shots if he was.

I know this because in a few scrims i have walled before when we noticed the other team had set sv_cheats 1 in their config. In response we decided we would give them a taste of their own medicine and turned wireframes on and destroyed them. If he was walling you would see prefires before people even come around a corner because it is very easy to time when they will pop out. Imo an unban is justified.

I'm still waiting for this modem transfer download to show up , made it to about 90% and lost power. Finally started it again and downloading at HAHA 21kb.

Going to take a shower now, hope its done when i get back.

I'll check out the demo in a few, but in the meantime: Only bad wallers prefire. A good wallhacker is incredibly difficult to catch, because what they do is react to things they shouldn't react to -- they don't aim through walls and they don't prefire. Something someone is not doing is very rarely proof that they aren't hacking. (Well, okay, if their bullets are spraying all over, you can be pretty sure they don't have no-recoil... )

First I would like to say that I kind of saw this happening. When you asked me for the website the other day people where already wondering if you where hacking in admin chat. I told them to make a demo and post it because of a lot of quick bannings of anyone that gets too many quick kills lately.

Sorry you have to go threw this but its part of being good at anything. Example every profesional athlete that breaks a record is on TV the next day as a accused Roid addict. Please dont take it personal at all.

I say all this because He has been pretty good on the server as a person and skill wise.

OK , so I have now spent way too much time on this video.
I feel I needed to make sure either way when I post my opinion.

STEPS:

1: Watched the demo - Questionable even with my earbuds in but then again I dont have the 7.1 sound. But I wouldnt call him a hacker.

2: Watched the demo with Wireframe - Made it look like he was a good player , but still not hacking.

3: Watched the demo at 25% speed - Nothing about this part was fun. Took f o r . . . e v e r . . . . . . But even after this I can safely say that nothing I saw lead me to believe he was anything but a seasoned player.

4: Started Demo with Wireframe and recorded it (FRAPS) so I could pause / rewind / easy playback. 50% speed --- STILL nothing so amazing that would even slightly consider me calling him a hacker.

On the demo you hear him talk about a clan named Men Of God , Tag = MoG .. I'm sure some of you have seen these guys around. I've played a lot with these guys. Very good people. Always praised God and where fun to be around.

Anyways , I now have ruffly 8gigs of video (recording in fraps) of this demo and I find nothing here that would make me call Notorious a hacker in this demo.


Sell my opinion well.
Freak
Out.

lol did you see the last part where he aims at the guy head threw the rock shoots and nothing happens and he waits for the guys to come out

Congratulations on being helpful snore thanks for the input. I will take it into consideration.

I agree with Snore, that was the clincher for me as well.

After sitting in suspense for 24 hours, I was finally able to watch the demo and have 2 things to say.
My voice sounds very funny over game chat (in my opinion lol)
And 2nd, When it comes to the guy behind the rock, if you look carefully you can see him move behind the rock, look to the right of the rock before I shoot. My first reaction was to shoot, I may not have aimed perfect but I saw him and started to use suppressing fire. I have A.D.D. so when it comes to random little movements like that, my eyes see it before I can even really think about it.

**EDIT...ADDED SCREEN SHOTS**

This screen shot is the terrorist "tic" behind the rock, in the screen shot I have circled his head. This is before any aiming or shooting was done in the demo.



In this screen shot you can see that the terrorist "tic" crouched, after I saw movement I aimed at what was seen to the side of the rock. His crouched/crouching model is circled in red.



**I apologize for the bad graphics, I am installing a new hard drive on my main pc and this was done on my roommates WoW laptop :p **

lol...

Off-topic but this made me LOL really hard.

When i first saw the demo, the rock kill was a little sketchy. HOWEVER, i have the settings set very high, and this gives many rocks more detail. If you change all your settings to "Low" and replay the demo, the rock is smaller and you can completely see the T on the right hand side of the rock.

I watched the demo a second time, nothings changed, I definitely think this guy is walling, but hey ultimately it's up to you guys.

I first watched it and thought the rock was sketchy....but the rest seemed rather seasoned...I'm a vote for a second chance....his attitude is atleast very mature.... I would also go back to the question...was it causing a disruption in the server?

Well, the very first shot on the demo would be about enough for me -- he shoots through the stairs right at the head, having never seen the guy. Footsteps -- even with surround sound -- are not enough to place that guy. (Yes, I've played CS in surround sound before.) Could be luck, though.

But, consider: The other times he goes to short A, he doesn't stop behind the box there. He only did that when there was someone coming.

When he kills abnormal near the beginning of the demo at long, he's waiting on a guy he doesn't know is there. Again, could be luck, could be walls.

When he's shooting at the guy planting in A, he's shooting right at him through the box -- he's not picking a variety of spots on the box to shoot, just the one where the guy actually is.

Near the end, he's pushing long A with a deagle, but curiously stops and falls back before getting in view of the door. He falls back as soon as another player becomes visible utilizing r_drawothermodels 2.

The demo isn't long enough to be conclusive, but he's really lucky if he isn't walling.

(As for sound, even if I'm not listening in surround right now, I guarantee you I can hear at least everything he's hearing, and he definitely can't hear those footsteps at long A. Heck, he can't even hear the footsteps at short A at the beginning until the guy is actually on the stairs -- after he's already fallen back in response to the guy... or by luck, whichever.)

i agree with avy give him a secound chance

I'd like to take a look at this but the download site doesn't want to work... (probably doesn't like Chrome). Might I suggest using http://drop.io in the future. Much easier, free and no "premium" spam windows to deal with..

If someone could post it again, I'd love to look at it..

Think this worked right.
http://drop.io/obbxfbi#

in not, try this
http://drop.io/obbxfbi

If notorious is given a second chance, I would then expect you to review everyone you have banned regarding a cheating accusation.
Or I would have to question whether or not the admins in saved can accurately detect if someone is truly using a wallhack, or if it's just skill.
In this case, I'm pretty sure it was not skill, nor luck. This is about as blatant as I've seen in awhile.

I believe they only give second chances to those who post an appeal. I don't think questioning the validity of the staff or admins decision is a respectful way to go about this. I am sensing that you are fairly heated on the subject, please take a break, relax and drink some lemonade, maybe go for a swim. Just take some time to clear your mind, I don't want to cause any stress among you or anyone else.

ok stop please every one we will look at this and discuss it as staff. This is not a who can do this or that contest or who can spit the farther it is a game, and chris you have no place to acuse any of us staff or admins for seeing or not seeing things, which ever way this shall fly so for now i will lock it until we have decided thanks

I received further input on this through PM, I'm convinced he is walling.....at this point I'm now more bothered by the lack of repentance and continuance of deception.....I change my vote to stay banned.

Ok, I reviewed this case with Leadership, we have agreed to give notorious a second chance. This is NOT a ruling of guilt or not guild, but rather the view of the Leaders that we would rather have the chance to be of further influence to Mr. Notorious.....If there is any discontent with this decision it can be appealed to Silver or The_man


God Bless